benghazi, like the poor and the gospel of matthew, will always be with us, colby. [laughter] >> as a political issue, but they are beating a dead horse with this. you have to consider the politics of this thing. the senator from north carolina is up for reelection next year. >> lindsey graham. >> he will go against the president on everything, everything, everything. he famously said, "i don't trust susan rice over benghazi." >> susan collins voted to move this thing forward, but she says she will vote against his nomination. susan collins -- >> that is party discipline. she did not say disciplined -- >> is she worried about a challenge? >> i don't think she is worried about a challenge. the leadership wants to stick it to obama, they if you chuck hagel as a heretic, and if the democrat had the same view as technical, which john kerry did, and he only had three votes against him -- >> on fox news, john mccain recalled that hagel was very rough on bush, said he was the worst president we ever had, that the surge in iraq was the worst mistake since vietnam, and that